Handlers & Guests: Flint Oak Membership Required

The Master National Retriever Club Board of Directors and Flint Oak have just become aware that EVERYONE on the Flint Oak property, whether drinking or not, needs to fill out the temporary Flint Oak membership form.

The first notice indicated ONLY those who wish to purchase alcohol must be a member, but we have just been informed the signed form/fee needs to be filled out by everyone in attendance.

There are still significant limitations on the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages at the Lodge and on the grounds of Flint Oak– and this has not changed.

Under Kansas law, Flint Oak can only sell beer, wine and liquor to “Club Members.” And also under Kansas law, there can be NO consumptions of alcoholic beverages on Flint Oak property that was not purchased from Flint Oak.

Flint Oak has received approval to offer a temporary (15-day) membership for this event only for everyone on the property. To comply with the law, Temporary Club Memberships will be available to those submitting a Flint Oak application, signed and mailed to Flint Oak along with a $10.72 fee.  This cost includes a spouse.  (See Application Form for details).  Your temporary Flint Oak Memberships are valid Sept. 15-30.

Membership applications must be received no later than by Sept. 4, 2013 – no exceptions.  Membership cards can be mailed or picked up at the event. (Be sure to indicate on your application whether you want your membership card mailed, or picked up at the Flint Oak office.)

Flint Oak apologizes for the inconvenience this may cause handlers and guests but must of course comply with the law.

CLICK HERE To Apply For A Temporary Membership: You must fill out and sign this form and return to Flint Oak no later than Sept. 4, 2013

Can be emailed to: AKCMN@flintoak.com

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79 Responses to Handlers & Guests: Flint Oak Membership Required

  1. Eddie Noga says:

    I’m not doing it! I don’t drink and I’m not paying anymore… I paid $350.00 for an entry fee plus hotel costs, gas, food…the people in charge should be ashamed… I’m not paying anymore!

      • Ed Wojciechowski says:

        I hope you both have a safe trip home. It is the Law Flint Oaks must comply or be shut down. Talk to your rep and they can voice what ever. For me this a great event run by volunteers. I support their efforts

    • Missy Heard says:

      HANDLERS, COME ON! After all of the money you have spent this year to get your dog qualified for the 2013 Master Nationals you are going to bark over $10 and some change? REALLY???? That is less than the cost of one training bird!

      THIS MEMBERSHIP was required by KANSAS LAW not FLINT OAK! If only you guys knew the man hours that Flint Oak has to put into processing these memberships, making membership cards, mailing membership cards and answering thousands of your phone calls about this membership. That $10.72 should send those girls at the front office to HAWAII all expenses paid for two weeks after this is all over! This is a five star facility that is not charging the Master National Retriever Club a penny to hold this event on their grounds.
      Dan and I have had the best summer of our lives! We have had the great privilege of living and training at Flint Oak for the past 4 months. This is a very elite five star shooting resort and hunting club. I assure that you will enjoy every cent of that $10.72 MEMBERSHIP when you get here and experience this wonderful facility!
      The staff here is bending over backwards to ensure that we all have the BEST NATIONAL EVER!
      Hope everyone has a safe trip and GOOD LUCK!

      Missy Heard

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        What a wonderfully positive note. Much thanks Ms. Heard we hardly ever hear from anyone who is pleased with the event. We appreciate your comments immensely. Mia

  2. Brent Hamilton says:

    There is going to be no good come from the latest last minute Flint Oak membership change. What about all the sponsors that our host club members got to buy ads. There will be numerous people that will want to come watch the event and now we are putting a temporary membership in place, I can see the point of one for the alcohol issue but not to just enter event to spectate. This needs to be reviewed by the MNHT committee and Flint Oak for a better result.
    SRC President, Brent Hamilton

  3. Brent Hamilton says:

    FYI, I have been viewing a-lot of negative comments toward the host club SRC, I assure you this has no benefit to our club. I know there will be spectators and guests that show up having never heard or seen anything about temporary memberships. Hope there will be exception for these as to turn them away will harm our event.

    SRC President, Brent Hamilton

  4. Kathie Sinclair says:

    We support Brent Hamilton and his views 100%. Rich and I have supported this club for 11 years and we want all to know the SRC club is not the creator of this new “membership” ruling. We will be there to welcome all who attend and hope this can be worked out before the event.
    SRC Vice President, Rich Sinclair
    SRC Club Secretary, Kathie Sinclair

      • Red Neckerson says:

        I sure hope the Kansas Dept of Revenue Alcholic Beverage Control officials are not monitoring is page…if they were to come in on let’s say for example on day 2 and shut down our event it would be very bad for all of us as we’ll as Flint Oak I’m sure.

        There a lot of folks throwing around their opinions without any facts or research. Very dangerous and not productive I feel for the good of our sport and this coming MN.

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Mr. Neckerson. Are you still having problems reaching Flint Oak.

        2639 Quail Road
        Fall River, KS 67047
        Phone: 620-658-4401
        Fax: 620-658-4806
        AKCMN@flintoak.com
        Office Hours: Wednesday to Saturday
        8:00am to 6:00pm
        Sunday
        8:00am to 5:00pm

        AKCMN@flintoak.com

  5. Joe Wondergem says:

    I see there is a lot of people that say they will not pay the membership fee.
    What happens if you do not pay it? Could someone from the MNRC answer
    that?

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Joe, the Master National Retriever Club did not create this law. The legislature in Kansas did. You would be violating Kansas law.

  6. Jason Shuler says:

    Seems to me that since this is a Kansas law, the MNRC, SRC, and especially Flint Oak should have known about this long ago. All of this should have been disclosed in the premium and paid for as part of the entry fees (which were raised this year). This is SHAMEFULL and in my eyes, tarnishes the reputations of all involved. I will be paying this fee, but only under protest.

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Thank you for your comments Mr. Shuler. I can assure you the Board of Directors of the MNRC were NOT previously aware of this membership requirement. The BOD visited Flint Oak in February and some members again in June, and NO MENTION was made of this. Please remember, the entire Board of Directors are volunteers who spend countless hours working throughout the year to ensure a Quality event for everyone. Each member does their very best, using their skills to prepare the best Master National ever. We are not professional event planners, and try to check and double check everything before the event. I can assure you Sir, everyone was surprised by this news. Respectfully submitted, Mia DiBenedetto, Communications MNRC.

    • JOHN WELLER says:

      AGREED AGAIN..IF IT WAS LAW,WHY DIDN’T SOMEONE SAY THIS BEFORE THE ENTRY FEES WERE SET?THE HOST CLUB AND THE MASTER NATIONAL CLUB HAVE REALLY TRIED TO PULL A FAST ONE,IT SEEMS

  7. Mark Frederick says:

    Am I correct to assume that this means a spouse also? The previous email said that a spouse was included on the temporary membership.

  8. Jim McCurry says:

    Why and How did this temporary membership just come to the front? I have attended two prior Hunt Test events at Flint Oak and nothing was said about any membership then. If I were a guest there for a Pheasant Hunt, I doubt that I would have to buy a temporary membership, unless I was drinking alcohol. I feel like Eddie Noga does. We all had expense to qualify to get there. We pay our entry fees to participate. There will be other expenses for travel with room and board. And now they want to nick us some more for an expense that does not make any sense. Especially, for someone who does not drink. We should be looking at attending the MN with great anticipation, not with a feeling of what else can come up

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Thank you for your comments Mr. McCurry. I can assure you the Board of Directors of the MNRC were NOT previously aware of this membership requirement. The BOD visited Flint Oak in February and some members again in June, and NO MENTION was made of this. Please remember, the entire Board of Directors are volunteers who spend countless hours working throughout the year to ensure a Quality event for everyone. Each member does their very best, using their skills, to prepare the best Master National ever. We are not professional event planners, and try to check and double check everything before the event. I can assure you Sir, everyone was surprised by this news. Respectfully submitted, Mia DiBenedetto, Communications MNRC.

  9. Glinda Wizard says:

    As I was curious to the answers to a lot of the questions that have been asked, I got on the phone and called Flint Oak myself to find out the answers. I’d also like to say that the person I talked to at Flint Oak was VERY helpful and was willing to answer all my questions. If you want to know something I would suggest you make that call also…their phone number is 620-658-4401.Below are the question’s that I asked and the answers I was given.
    Q: Why is this “membership” fee just now being brought to our attention?
    A: In July the ABC showed up to do an inspection at Flint Oak. At that time, Flint Oak found out that they were in violation of the Class B laws by allowing public events on their property. I was told that the Flint Oak management team and owner’s made numerous phone calls trying to figure out a way to continue to do business as usual because this did not just affect the Master National event for them. After a week of calling everyone they knew that might be able to help, they found there was no way around this law. At that time they notified their contact person with the SRC. They could not answer why this information was not released at that time since they do not have any control over that.
    Q: Why has this not been a problem for you in the past?
    A: In the past the only area at Flint Oak that was licensed under the ABC was their lodge. Due to Flint Oak having events such as weddings outside of the lodge they decided to change the license to include the whole property so they wouldn’t be in violation of the law to serve alcohol at such events, not realizing that this would require anyone who came onto their property to have a membership. Where in the past prior to this change the only place the public wasn’t allowed was in the lodge where their bar was.
    Q: Where did you come up with the $10.00 charge for the membership?
    A: By law, Flint Oak is required to charge a minimum of $10.00 for the temporary membership, and the membership must be purchased 10 days prior to the event.
    Q: What if a person shows up to an event and doesn’t have the membership?
    A: Flint Oak will not be able to allow that person on the property, by law. For each person found on the property without that membership will be a $1000.00 fine for Flint Oak. (This made me understand why they had no choice but to follow the law! I wouldn’t want to pay that fine….made the $10.00 seem pretty small compared to what their fine would be. Not to mention that they could have their Class B license revoked)
    I can reassure everyone after speaking with Flint Oak that if there was a way around this, they would do it as this has effected them with many other events since finding out. Bottom line there is not. I hope this helps with some of the questions being asked. If not, I would encourage you to call Flint Oak yourself. I can say for myself, I felt better about paying the $10.00 membership fee after hearing first hand the position they have been put in. I’d also like to say thank you to the nice young lady that was so willing to answer all of my questions. I look forward to attending this event, and look forward to seeing this beautiful place I’ve heard so much about.

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Thank you very much for your support ! We look forward to seeing you in Kansas.

    • Brad Schulz says:

      Your email states that Flint Oak is required to charge a fee of at least $10.00. They are charging slightly more. Is the entire amount then turned over to the State of Kansas by Flint Oak ?

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Questions and issues like this will be addressed and answered at the 2013 Annual Meeting. See you there. Travel Safe

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Mr. Schultz:

        I do appreciate your concern, however, in many of our own posts or some from others, most of these questions have already been addressed. First of all, with the Master National events being in the high 600’s, we are limited to places that can hold so many flights. Many of the member clubs simply do not have the available grounds to house such a large event. That being said, we chose Flint Oak for several reasons. This site was proposed by a local club offering to host the Event and Flint Oak was chosen because of its beauty, its size, the lovely terrain lending itself to premiere hunt tests. After all, Flint Oak is known as a premiere hunting resort. What better place to hold a prestigious event?

        Naturally, had we or Flint Oak known about this Temporary Membership then we most certainly could have proceeded in a different way. But that was not the case, Mr. Schultz. Flint Oak and the MN found this out in late July. Since then, we have worked together trying to come up with a better solution, but, unfortunately, the laws of the state of Kansas dictate what we can or cannot do. Neither of us were aware of this any earlier.
        Yes, it is a problem but one that we must deal with.

        As has already been posted, all owners and handlers received a text message about the Temporary Membership. These phone numbers were taken directly from our very own Master National Entry Form. This has also been posted on the Homepage of the Master National Retriever Club website, as well as, on our MN Facebook page and MN twitter account. We are extremely sorry that even with all of this effort you were missed. The deadline is ten days prior to arrival so today would still be fine to arrive on the 16th.

        As for your question as to where the Temporary Membership fee goes. Let me ask you a question. Where do membership fees usually go? Yes, these fees go to the club in question which is Flint Oak. By law, they have to collect that very minimum Temporary Membership fee of $10.00 plus tax and, therefore, that fee is theirs to use at their discretion. Please remember, Flint Oak is doing things themselves to help make this 2013 Master National a success.

        My hope is that everyone will be able to realize the dilemma that Flint Oak and the Master National have been placed and now come to Flint Oak and enjoy all of the good things we both have to offer at our 2013 Master National event.

        Gloria Mundell
        President, Master National Retriever Club

  10. Beckey Malphus, DVM says:

    Anybody need a temporary spouse for the event? We can get an annulment when my dog goes out!!! Just kidding, just trying to lighten the mood!

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Thank you Beckey…boy do we need some leverage. We take everyone’s comments to heart, and everyone is trying their best to make this a first class event. See you in Kansas! Travel safe. Mia

  11. Brent Hamilton says:

    Thanks Beckey, I am glad things are smoothing out and participants are now understanding whats going on. I would be glad to put you on as my spouse, we just whelped 9 black puppies last night so i think my wife will be busy for the next 7 weeks.

    SRC President. Brent Hamilton

  12. Katie Quarles says:

    SO glad we finally have the reasons for this! Would have save a lot of angst for all if the info had been published right away but “better late than never”. Still not pleased about it, especially given the increased entry fees, but DO NOT like the fact that this effectively eliminates “drop in” spectators.

  13. Clark Ansel says:

    So is someone that drives cross country and shows up not having heard about this really going to be turned away? This could get ugly and no one wants that. I’m just lucky I checked the site. How is the message being disseminated?

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Mr. Ansel
      All owners and handlers received a text message about the Temporary Membership. The phone numbers were taken directly from the MN Entry Form. It is also posted on the Homepage of the Master National Retriever Club website. It is also posted on the Master National Facebook page and was included in the Master National twitter account. Is it possible that someone who entered hasn’t received word of this? Do handlers and participates communicate with each other? If you know of someone who may not have heard this news please let me know and I will send them a message. Best regards Mia DiBenedetto, MNRC Communications.

      • Clark Ansel says:

        I never received a text message.

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        What is your cell phone number? We would be happy to add you to the list. On the MNRC official entry list your dog is listed with the Pro Handler Eddie Noga and there is no cell phone number listed for Clark Ansel. Eddie Noga was sent the text messages. This is the reason you did not receive word from MNRC. Best regards. Mia

      • JOHN WELLER says:

        I JUST GOT THE MESSAGE TODAY,SEPT 4..THANKS A LOT

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Mr. Weller you are in our MNRC Text Message list at phone number 252-636-5225. Messages were sent. The announcements were posted on the Master National Homepage as soon as we learned of the issue (July 29, 2013). We also posted messages on Master National Facebook and Master National Twitter pages. I know quite a few folks learned of this via communication with other Master National handlers. We regret you did not see the Internet Posts, or Text Messages, or hear of this from other handlers. It is times like this that often challenge our communication process to the max, but I can assure you we tried our very best to reach everyone in the most timely manner possible. Please remember Mr. Weller, we are ALL Volunteers that are creating and executing this massive Master National Event. We regret you are so displeased by our work. Respectfully submitted, Mia DiBenedetto, MNRC Communications

      • JOHN WELLER says:

        The phone number given to you is our home phone,,,we can not receive your text messages there. Need to tell us you need a phone number that text can go to ..,,,mine is 252 514 1841.PLEASE USE THE NUMBER I JUST GAVE YOU FOR TEXT…I appreciate the volunteers,but to put a deadline on something not knowing all the info needed to get it to people is really a problem needed to be fixed.. text messages there…….

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Thank you for your response. The Master National Entry Form specifically asked FOR CELL NUMBER which we used to create the Texting List. I am sorry you missed that but I will put your cell number into the system now so you will receive future updates. Best regards.

  14. Wendy Wo says:

    If I coreectly read the article 20 that was posted, it states. ” a guest of the member,” not specifically a spouse. Is that correct? If so tha would include a father and his son, a mother and daughter. A client and their friend.

  15. Wendy Wo says:

    That is article 20- H . A guest of the member…. Not a spouse. Thank you, please let us know about this.

  16. Betsy Magee says:

    As an owner, I was not notified by text or email about the need to have a temporary membership to Flint Oak. Fortunately, a friend gave me a “heads up” this morning. This will be the 8th Master Nationals that I plan on attending to watch my dogs run — I’d sure be upset if I showed up & couldn’t get on the grounds. All of the owners’ emails are on the dogs’ registrations — best not count on the trainer/handlers to let us know about the fee! Thanks!

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Ms. Magee, I will look into why you did not receive a text. Everyone on the Master National Entry was sent one. I will check and get back to you. Would a pro have received the text instead of you?

      • Eve Smith says:

        Eve Smith,
        We did not get a text or email either. Does this mean that our client cannot come to watch his dog run without a membership as well? Why doesn’t the MNRC give Flint Oaks a list of all the owners and handlers of dogs that are entered and pay the $10.00 for each one of them out of the extra money that was added to the entry fees. Not everyone has access to the internet and cellphones and some may not know about it still and if they paid the entry fee and drove out there only to be turned away at the gate, it seems to me that the MNRC might have a problem, especially after what all it takes to qualify for the test. Please respond before morning, I need to know what to do.

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        We regret you did not get a text or email. What phone number and email were on your MN Entry? Someone associated with your dog was notified but I will check to see who. Have you not spoken with anyone associated with the Master National since August 1? A phone number is required for everyone entry? I will check and get back to you. Sincerely, Mia DiBenedetto

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Mrs. Smith, you are in our MNRC Text Message list at phone number 601-201-4908. Messages were sent. The announcements were posted on the Master National Homepage as soon as we learned of the issue (July 29, 2013). We also posted messages on Master National Facebook and Master National Twitter pages. I know quite a few folks learned of this via communication with other Master National handlers. We regret you did not see the Internet Posts, or Text Messages, or hear of this from other handlers. It is times like this that often challenge our communication process to the max, but I can assure you we tried our very best to reach everyone in the most timely manner possible. Please remember we are ALL Volunteers that are creating and executing this massive Master National Event. We regret you are so displeased by our work. Respectfully submitted, Mia DiBenedetto, MNRC Communications

      • Eve Smith says:

        Unfortunately, the phone number you have was not set up to receive text messages until this week, because we didn’t really know how to utilize that feature, and it wasn’t in our plan, so no, we didn’t get it. I, on the other hand, did get the information from the web site and did send in my $10.70 for the membership. I was just worried about other folks who might not know, like other owners or handlers who aren’t tech savvy either. I didn’t know I sounded extremely displeased, I was concerned about others who might be displaced by not having the information either. I can see by the posts online that I am not nor was I the only one. I thought the suggestion to have the Master National give Flint Oaks the List of owners and handlers was a good one, and date a blanket membership for all of them the number of days early they require. Then if the authorities checked it out, they could see that all who might be on site would indeed be covered. I still think that might be a good idea, then every person who comes can just check in, perhaps on that blanket membership list, and then Flint Oaks would have the number of $10.00 charges that needed to be paid. I really hope it doesn’t become a real problem. Wonder what the wedding guests do at a wedding there? And if the flower girl needs a membership as well? Surely they have had this come up before. Perhaps you remember that I contacted you earlier about Magnolia Retriever Club not being on the voting list, and when you checked about it, you found some others who had been left off as well. I wasn’t being mean then, either, I really thought that maybe after a certain number of clubs had voted one way or the other, giving a certain percentage majority, that you just quit counting. Not knowing, that was why I asked. It seems that no matter how I phrase things, the intent is misconstrued. Y’all won’t have to worry that I will be asking about anything else, because I probably will not attend the event in the future. But as I am an officer of a club, I am required to keep track of events that are of interest to all our members. My service is volunteer as well and like you, I try to do my best. Equally respectfully submitted, Eva Smith, Secretary/Treasurer of the Magnolia Retriever Club, but answering for myself.
        Eva Smith
        —– Original Message —–

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Yes, sorry that is unfortunate.

  17. Betsy Magee says:

    Yes — Ronnie Lee is my handler, but he is training in Minn. & not always in cell or internet service. I doubt that he would be the only pro in this position —

  18. Mia DiBenedetto says:

    No but he is responsible for notifying you don’t you think. He is running the dog, how were we suppose to know you would be on the grounds?

    • Betsy Magee says:

      Mia — I did hear from him this morning about this. I know that MNRC has a lot on your plate to deal with. I was just making a comment from an owner’s perspective that it could be a big surprise. Thanks for your response.

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        We do have a lot for a volunteer organization Betsy, but we try very hard to endure that everyone feels welcome, and that they have the best experience possible. Good Luck, see you in Kansas!

      • Betsy Magee says:

        All of your fine work, great dogs, & great friends is what keeps me coming back year after year.
        Thanks!

  19. Dave Wilson says:

    how can I give credit card info by phone, they are closed until thursday the 5th

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Jeff Oakes said that with their special email address created for this temporary membership is secured for credit cards. This is email on our link re temp membership. KCMN@flintoak.com

      • John Carlson says:

        Mia,

        I have tried that email address and it comes back as “Failed” to receive.

        Please advise, my understanding is so long as they have 10days notice that a membership may be completed.
        As I plan to arrive Saturday the 21st, I have until Wednesday the 10th to complete submission allowing for the temporary membership to be in effect on the 21st.

        The way I see it is similar to many on this board. We have the incurred expenses of training, competing, and travelling to location. The least that Flint Oak can do is assist in a manor that will provide an opportunity to the owners, visitors, and spectators that may show up with less notice than initially required. I.E.: have temporary memberships available at the entrance to the grounds for purchase.

    • Dave Wilson says:

      I have form filled out ready to fax. I don’t want to fax it with my credit card info on it. I do very little on computer. I don’t know how to do most simple task and that does not bother me at all. Times like this are a pain for me, I train dogs I don’t play on facebook and the internet. I have just realized I can’t buy amembership when I arrive and have only one more day. I hope I can survive one more national and I will not be in the way anymore.

  20. Frank Marx says:

    Sometimes we are dealt suprises in life and we just need to deal with them. I have read Article 20 Class B Clubs. It appears to me that a guest of a member is allowed on the club premises. This should allow persons on the club grounds as long as they are a guest of a member. I don’t see too many people showing up and not being a guest of someone there. I applied for my membership and based on my reading, I can bring a guest. I am not trying to short anyone membership fees, but I don’t know who might come with me at this point in time. Please let me know if I am incorrect in my understanding. This is what article 20 says. This should also help ease the worry of persons showing up without knowledge of this law. Most will have their trainers there and could be considered guests of the trainer.

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      Thank you for your comments, we believe you are correct.

    • Wendy Wo says:

      Exactly…. That is stated I believe in 20-I. So a member’s spouse automatically is a member. Item I says each ” member” can bring a guest. That says to me 4 people can come in on one $10 fee. If this is so, a text needs to be sent so that those who did not buy a membership on time and are being told “no exception” and perhaps not coming, can come. Are temporary memberships being sold at door?

  21. Thomas Gibbs says:

    I don’t no if flint oaks fax machine is working. My fax report comes back mail failed. Who do you call for help on this. Flint oak is closed. Would you not think with what’s coming up some one would man a phone line. This is not looking good.

  22. Thomas Gibbs says:

    Flint oak now answering phone. They have my fax. Good to go.

    • Mia DiBenedetto says:

      We just spoke with Monica and the Flint Oak staff are there today if anyone needs to reach them. Thanks for your prompt reply.

      • RIchard Henderson says:

        Hi Mia,
        you seem to be the person in the know on this subject.

        I am a dog owner. Eddie Noga is my pro-trainer.

        I didn’t know about the fee because i was not originally planning to attend. My schedule has opened a bit and i would like to attend. I have no problem paying the fee. however, it appears that i cannot attend since we are inside the 10 day deadline.
        Has a plan been set into place to deal with this question?

        Thank you.

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Mr. Henderson
        It is my understanding you can be a guest of Eddie Noga. Please talk to your pro when you arrive.

  23. warren price says:

    Issues like this and what we saw at the MN last year caused my club to drop the MN membership. It was our opinion that the judges set their own guidlines and regulations. When our club was asked to bid on the 2015 MN event. Our club declined because of issues with past host clubs . We will no longer offer a AKC H/T until we see major changes at the MN! We would hope the MN will clean up their act.

  24. Brad Schulz says:

    Attached is a copy of what I have sent to the MNRC President:

    I am very troubled by the way this entire issue has played out. It is clear by the late posting of this issue on August 19, that the temporary membership requirement was not vetted by the MNRC or the host club prior to selecting this venue. In my opinion this requirement, had it been disclosed by Flint Oak, and the host club, should have in and of itself dropped this location from consideration. MNRC will only continue to prosper by having a great National event, and by inviting every and all spectator that wants to come. This venue is not set up for this.

    MNRC also decided to raise the entry fee, with little or no justification or explanation. When the temp membership issue was apparently first discovered in August, with a posting of the notice on August 19 on the website, MNRC should have insisted of Flint Oak that there be no charge, or if a charge is mandated, that MHRC or Flint Oak would absorb it. In the application, there is no basis stated for the fee. Is it a fee that will be passed on to the State, or will Flint Oak keep it ? This should be disclosed to the members.

    I am also the person that entered my dog, and never received a text message. I received an email late last night, on Feb. 4, from my trainer who had also not been notified. You are going to be faced with owners, handlers, trainers, and the PUBLIC, who will not be able to enter the property, according to the announcement, if they did not get their application in by midnight last night. That situation is unacceptable. I hope that MNRC has asked Flint Oak to request a waiver of the Sept 4 deadline from the State of Kansas, so as to be allowed to accept temp membership forms during the running of the event. I would think another option would be for Flint Oak to agree to suspend its state liquor license for the duration of the event.

    While I understand the organization and host club is made up of volunteers, that does not give people a pass on vetting locations. I was initially troubled by this location, as it is in the middle of nowhere in Kansas, without numerous lodging and food facilities nearby. Many participants will travel 3o minutes to an hour just to be there, from wherever they are staying. How about the spectators that do the same, only to be turned away ? Had the host club and MNRC vetted this problematic venue, and as part of the process determined the requirement of the temporary membership by Sept 4, I think we would all agree that this venue should have been removed from consideration.

    Thank you for listening, and I hope that this situation does not result in many folks not being able to enter the property, as appears will be the case. Please also be kind enough to let the members know where there $10 fee is going. Many thanks for your service as President.

    Brad Schulz

    • JOHN WELLER says:

      Anyone reply to this post Mr.Shultz?You have brought up a great point…

      • Eve Smith says:

        No one has answered that yet that I can tell, and I would like to know that as well. That $10 fee adds up to a lot of money when you think about it, if each dog entered represented only 2 people it would be over $13,500. Then the support personnel, like bird boys, news folks, photographers, etc could easily bring that to over $15,000. Lots of money for no one to have that answer.

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Thank you all for your comments. all questions liket hese will be addressed and answered at the 2013 Annual Meeting. See you there!

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        All questions and issued such as this will be addressed at the 2013 Annual Meeting. Safe travel and see you there!

      • Mia DiBenedetto says:

        Mr. Welker, here the reply from Mr. Schultz’s post. We hope it clarifies some of your questions.
        Mr. Schultz:
        I do appreciate your concern, however, in many of our own posts or some from others, most of these questions have already been addressed. First of all, with the Master National events being in the high 600’s, we are limited to places that can hold so many flights. Many of the member clubs simply do not have the available grounds to house such a large event. That being said, we chose Flint Oak for several reasons. This site was proposed by a local club offering to host the Event and Flint Oak was chosen because of its beauty, its size, the lovely terrain lending itself to premiere hunt tests. After all, Flint Oak is known as a premiere hunting resort. What better place to hold a prestigious event?

        Naturally, had we or Flint Oak known about this Temporary Membership then we most certainly could have proceeded in a different way. But that was not the case, Mr. Schultz. Flint Oak and the MN found this out in late July. Since then, we have worked together trying to come up with a better solution, but, unfortunately, the laws of the state of Kansas dictate what we can or cannot do. Neither of us were aware of this any earlier.
        Yes, it is a problem but one that we must deal with.

        As has already been posted, all owners and handlers received a text message about the Temporary Membership. These phone numbers were taken directly from our very own Master National Entry Form. This has also been posted on the Homepage of the Master National Retriever Club website, as well as, on our MN Facebook page and MN twitter account. We are extremely sorry that even with all of this effort you were missed. The deadline is ten days prior to arrival so today would still be fine to arrive on the 16th.

        As for your question as to where the Temporary Membership fee goes. Let me ask you a question. Where do membership fees usually go? Yes, these fees go to the club in question which is Flint Oak. By law, they have to collect that very minimum Temporary Membership fee of $10.00 plus tax and, therefore, that fee is theirs to use at their discretion. Please remember, Flint Oak is doing things themselves to help make this 2013 Master National a success.

        My hope is that everyone will be able to realize the dilemma that Flint Oak and the Master National have been placed and now come to Flint Oak and enjoy all of the good things we both have to offer at our 2013 Master National event.

        Gloria Mundell
        President, Master National Retriever Club

  25. Brad Schulz says:

    Ms. Mundell, thank you for your response, and it appears to confirm:
    1. The ABC licensing issue, and change of license, with Flint Oak was not vetted by anyone.
    2. Including your response, to date, there has been no discolsure of what actual concrete actions were undertaken by anyone interacting with the ABC authority in writing to deal with FO’s problem, and to prevent additional cost..
    3. The mantra of “nothing could be done” is meaningless without itemizing what actually was attempted to solve the problem. We are problem solvers with dogs. If we have a dog with a retireving problem, we may try many things to solve the problem, we can list them, and usually find a solution, after several different attmepts. We don’t simply say “nothing courld be done.”
    4. MNRC or Flint Oak has no published solution for handlers, owners, and VISITORS travleing to this remote property who have not filled out the form by Sept. 4, and paid the fee, and the fact that they will be turned away. I hope this has been disclosed to the local businesses, advertisers, and the sponsors. Turning folks away is certainly worse than no disclosure.
    5. MNRC has not asked Flint Oak to refund the money it must collect by law, to the payors; the participants who did not cause this problem, but must pay to “solve” it, and Flint Oak will realize an additional profit of discretionary funds not anticipated when the venue was selected.

    • Jason Shuler says:

      Amen! Did MNRC pay money to use this venue? if so Flint Oak should have absorbed the extra fee. This is their fault for not knowing the law. If they were made aware of this in July, then they should have disclosed this from the get go in the premium. I have already paid my fee for my wife and I But it leads me to wonder how are they going to police this, are they really going to card us every time we come onto the grounds?
      I too am a volunteer in my local club, along with that comes a duty to everyone else in the club and anyone who runs one of our tests. Bottom line if something needs fixed the club fixes it and never have I been told I need to pay more just so I can run my dog.
      At a minimum just to get to the Master National we have a small fortune in entry fees, fuel, lodging ect (and that’s just for weekend tests). The national is no exception just everything costs more. For an amateur like myself with just one dog to run it costs me a lot of money already to run a test where it feels like with just the sheer number of dogs the odds are against you, this is just salt in a wound.
      I expect better of the organization that represents a sport I love on the national level. Let us all learn from this and make future Nationals even better.

    • JOHN WELLER says:

      Seems like this whole situation revolves around drinking alcohol,,i do not drink that much and can surely refrain from drinking while dogs have to be run and people with guns are around. JUST SAYING !

  26. Frank Marx says:

    I was not going to post, but maybe this can be of some help. I understand that things happen and we need to just deal with it. It is no excuss to me that you are a volunteer. You still have responsibilities and that does not change because you volunteered to do something. On the otherhand it is not worth getting upset over and ruining an evening because you go to a bar in a dry county and have to buy a membership. It is also not worth ruining the event that you have worked hard to get your dog qualified for during the year. One point that has not been shared by MNRC or Flint Oak to my knowledge is that a member (which you are once you pay your membership) allows you to bring guests. I would suggest that MNRC have a few people at the entrance and if someone shows up without a membership that they become a guest of that person or taken to where their dog is running and they are a guest of their trainer or someone else there who has a membership. I realize as a guest, you can not buy food or drink on the property. I could figure out how to deal with this if I was a guest. I bought my membership, although I only found out about it accidently by looking on the website. If I bring someone with me they will be my guest. I do not understand the position that is being made that people will be turned away. This is the area that can be dealt with in a much better way. Maybe you can not post the point about guests, I don’t know. It is written in the law and I have confirmed it with Flint Oak. If Flint Oak and/or MNRC is trying to profit by this, then they should be ashamed. If Flint Oak is looking to make money from these temporary memberships without giving options as they are written in the law, then that is wrong. I can not do anything about that and I am certaintly not going to let $10.72 prevent me from coming to see my dog run and having a great time. I want to thank everyone that works hard to put this event on each year. I know it is time consuming and can be frustrating when unexpected things come up. Not everything in life goes as planned. We can deal with it and enjoy it or we can let it consume us and ruin what should be a great time. Life is too short for me to let something this trivial ruin a great event that only happens once a year for me. I hope everyone will step back and enjoy the time ahead at the master nationals this year.

  27. Jason Shuler says:

    For those of you not recievng texts fro MNRC, per Frank Barton here is how to fix it…

    “Your carrier may block our text messages as Spam since these messages originate from a Text Service.
    To open your account to our Text messages do the following:

    Send a text message to: 313131 with Help in the message field. When you receive a reply your account is open to receive our text messages.”

    this worked for me. Thanks Frank.

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